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02-04-2010, 09:58 PM | #45 | |
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But the M1 CSL/GTS will be something to drool over.
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02-04-2010, 11:07 PM | #49 | ||
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This car will sound exactly like our car equipped with aftermarket exhaust... If this car would have been equipped with an S54,detuned smaller S65,or some other high reving engine I would have been all over it but I'd rather keep my 1er and buy a used m3 than forking out an xyz amount of money for this. Being honest the M1 offers more cosmetic upgrades than upgraded driving dynamics. Any enthusiast that is ready to gamble with the factory warranty can have a finely tuned 135 for cheaper than this. Intercooler+JB3+KW coilovers+exhaust+meaty tires and it's done. All that for 4-5K
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02-05-2010, 01:57 AM | #51 |
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If you think this car won't put smile in your face you should opt for a Porsche or Ferrari. For rest of us, despite the lower redline, it will still be more than excess of fun. I don't want to go into the whole F1 discussion because I am not a F1 driver and never will be so its irrelevant.
That said I will probably not buy a M1 unless it really exceeds every expectation. My next car needs to be a purists 2 seater and BMW don't build such cars. |
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02-05-2010, 02:47 AM | #52 | ||
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IMO this car is a glorified 135I-335IS..ok it will probably have an LSD but still...Since when M-cars share engines with regular cars? The M1 is great for people not into modding otherwise the 135I will do the job with some upgrades. 3/4 of the M1 (exclusive)features are cosmetic upgrades. Summary: More muscular appearance than standard 1-series Trapezoid grille flanked by two intakes to allow extra brake cooling Six piston brakes High performance intercooler Sportier looking headlights than standard 1-series Small lip spoilers above brake duct inlets to provide extra air flow and downforce The front wings of the car are massaged slightly to accomodate the wider track. Rear end is also wider. Standard 18" 5-spoke wheels with optional 18" Competition wheels (18" will be the optimium wheel size for the M1) Signature M side vent Broader wheel arches to accomodate larger track "Ducktail" CSL style rear trunk (integrated spoiler) Rear valance/diffuser area takes its direction from the standard 135i but with open ducts for aerodynamic purpose Signature M quad exhaust pipes Reinforced carbon fiber roof
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02-05-2010, 03:01 AM | #53 | |
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I don't know what you mean by "our" car, I've got a 328i and if you heard my Injen intake it would make you weep with joy And to whoever quoted me and said M3 CSL =/= M3 GTS, when did I say it did? I never even brought up the GTS I was merely pointing out that the idea of a 1 series M is similar to the idea of a lighter M3. The E46 CSL was way more hardcore than the M1 can ever be in today's market but the fact remains that BMW is trying to do a similar thing by making a smaller and more agile M car. |
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02-05-2010, 03:25 AM | #54 | |
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I can tell you why listen to this throttle response. As long as they go turbo route it will never replace the CSL. |
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02-05-2010, 03:53 AM | #56 | |
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02-05-2010, 04:20 AM | #57 | |
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The CAR is: BMW Z4 M Coupé (E89) with 4.0l V8 (S65B40) The DREAMCAR is: BMW Z4 M CSL (E89) with 4.4l V8 (S65B44) |
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02-05-2010, 04:28 AM | #58 | |
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But what is so nice at atmo engine that s the linear power delivery. I can set the back out 5 inches with throttle if i want and if i want 10 inches it s no problem at all adjust a little throtte and you get it instantly. Now with turbo you can t adjust it that precisely if do it it s mostly to much or it s to late etc. So you never can put the back end out exactly how you want it with turbo. That s why the highrev ///M engine are so fantastic on track that s why you see porsche cup cars are always highrev engines. Because highrev is simply the best for extreme driving on corners it s so well controlleable. But if you want youre engine tuned up turbo is nice but then the lag is getting even worse. |
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02-05-2010, 06:10 AM | #59 |
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sounds like I'm getting one!
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Agreed..
Plus in my area roads are terrible. 18s are perfect. |
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02-05-2010, 06:27 AM | #61 |
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Bro, you know that isn't true.. it just requires MORE throttle control. You have to anticipate more... Just be honest with yourself & admit you are simple use to NA engines and their throttle response. Your preference is something you are familiar with, nothing more. Adding a LSD can change apex and drift angles... don't see you bitching about that. |
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02-05-2010, 07:43 AM | #64 | |
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Advevo has both a 130i with an aftermarket LSD and also has a 135i with a Drexler LSD. He also has lots of experience with M cars, and their differentials, having owned and raced a handful of them. Linear throttle response is always better than delays followed by an extra hundred HP/Ftlbs, especially when exiting your apex at full-on gas pedal. You shouldn't have to anticipate when it is going to kick in. |
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02-05-2010, 08:43 AM | #65 | |
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Three main reasons: A - Cost. You can bet the turbos being used on the McLaren are nothing short of "state of the art", and they probably cost 3 or 4 times as much as the turbos BMW will be using on the M1. B - Low end throttle response. To support high RPM power you need higher flow rates. It's hard (and again, expensive) to make a turbo engine extremely responsive at low RPM, and still make power at high RPM. C - Fuel economy. BMW has to be mindful of fuel economy, but McLaren really doesn't. The turbos on the M1 will need to be efficient enough during daily driving that the car doesn't get killed on the standardized mileage tests in the various markets. |
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I am now 100% getting the M1 and doing Euro Delivery! WOOT!!!!
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