12-17-2022, 02:31 PM | #23 | |
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12-17-2022, 08:27 PM | #24 | |
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So sorry you don't get people wanting to keep their sports cars as light as possible, as unobstructed. I am aware that in other countries the NAV is a standalone option and few cars here in NA were delivered that way accidentally, but by and large the NAV cars are loaded with fluff that a few of the diehards do not want. I have purchased two 1Ms and I passed on many that had nav and before I purchased my 2nd one. During this voyage I met many others that also passed on buying NAV 1M....not only where they not willing to pay more for one, on the contrary, some us refused to buy one that way. So as I said there are so few 1Ms and in the US most are either premium or loaded with NAV. Few of them are strippers with manual seats. While most are like you and want the fluff and don't care about extra weight, since there are so few of the low option cars that that options are really irrelevant on the 1M. So few manual seat cars but plenty that want one because they care about the lower seating position, weight and want an old school cockpit. So I hope that explains it somewhat as to the American market. 1M prices depend primarily on miles and condition not options. There are more people of the NAV and NO NAV camp that want one then there are NAV and No NAV cars to go around: Just like you won't buy a no nav car without power seats, I wouldn't buy one with nav and powered seats. Last edited by nachob; 12-17-2022 at 08:32 PM.. |
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12-19-2022, 07:53 PM | #25 |
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Further to my point, most such harnesses still exists in cars that don't have such options. That thread floating around from eons ago claiming 40lbs isn't accurate, ETK weights aren't trustworthy for a lot of components. 135s/1M were popular and class leading once upon a time for local production car & endurance racing like this one right here: https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=684308 Asking those that have been there done that are far better than the "maybes" posted on forums.
Already made my point about the seats. Recaros > *. Manual/motorised/this/that argument in the bin. I specifically mentioned the M2CS, not M2. To conclude, I technically can't buy road-registered no-nav. There is only 1 spec here and that's it. I'm also not going to bother removing it, that'd make me 1/1 right? You are so stuck in your own region and think the globe revolves around you. This is a car that you need 2 balls to drive. Arguing about garage queens that are the upteenth lighter than their driven optioned counterparts is an incredible disservice to the potential this car offers. It's a shame that so many owners aren't even close yet rather bicker about forecasted, projected values based on options. Unless you're collector status, this car isn't for you. With the same tyre but green advantage, I can take away some circuit chassis records from those racecars I mentioned earlier. And I'm doing it with street spec trim, same power, original clutch (lul) inc nav ... without the cage, $10k+ dampers, drexler/spool diffs. PRTSB1M Pretty much my point. Akra slip on isn't that light for titanium but it's lighter none the less (1kg only IIRC). I have one too, it sounds good. Ultimately, you can build a pretty nice 1M that offers a better experience than the lack of options ever would. It's good but far from perfect from factory. Another one to get the party started? The OE dampers while alumunium bodied, are underwhelming. Or shall we "option" the aftermarket and jump on the Ohlins bandwagon adding the worst form of weight. Farcical argument.
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12-20-2022, 09:35 AM | #26 | |
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The stock rear section does seem to weigh about the same as the Akra, but stock is definitely a restriction for turbos in terms of pipe diameter. I also have ohlins waiting in a box, because they seem like best option for mostly street car, with few track days. I think it's mostly brits obsessed with shedding kilos. Unfortunately, there are folks who emerge at this price-point who just want a taste to find out if they agree with the market. Last edited by PRTSB1M; 12-20-2022 at 12:37 PM.. |
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02-01-2023, 05:19 PM | #28 | |
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Yes for those of us that were there before the beginning asking bmw for a smaller lighter more focused and less techno-loaded M car, it's a lost perspective. Now with M2s around people forget how special and different the 1M was compared to the bloated M cars before and the reason we still have some small bmw sports cars today. |
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