[johnnny]

Finally, I went to dealer and tested base and logic 7.
First of all, I was surprised that base audio is not bad at all.
It's almost a same quality as my bose system. Maybe even better
Logic 7, It was a noticable difference, but not much...I mean not for extra $1200....
So, most likely, I'll skip a logic 7...........

[Wildcat Jon]

If you get the 330i, Logic 7 is std.

[johnnny]

I am getting 325 not 330......tight budget plus to me both are same...

[ogrady]

Great Johnny, see now you just saved yourself a bunch of money ! Logic7 is good, but if the base audio sounds good enough to you, then no need to spend the extra money right?

[WhiteBeard]

Originally Posted by ogrady

Great Johnny, see now you just saved yourself a bunch of money ! Logic7 is good, but if the base audio sounds good enough to you, then no need to spend the extra money right?

:lol

[Mayuri Krab]

I thought the base audio was pretty rubbish (haven't heard the logic 7) compared to my skyline's factory speakers, there's hardly any noticeable difference except one is over 20 years old.

[floydarogers]

Originally Posted by johnnny

Finally, I went to dealer and tested base and logic 7.
First of all, I was surprised that base audio is not bad at all.
It's almost a same quality as my bose system. Maybe even better
Logic 7, It was a noticable difference, but not much...I mean not for extra $1200....
So, most likely, I'll skip a logic 7...........

The "base" audio in the F3x on dealer lots is not really directly comparable to the systems in E9x. All F3x actually have the "HiFi" audio (in the USA/CA).

In E9x (check the audio subforum's stickies), most years also had the HiFi standard; however, the 2010 and early 2011 had the (true) "base" audio, which is crap. Since you're buying a 2006 325i, you'll get at least the "HiFi" audio.

[ctuna]

Don't understand why people want to time travel like this
for any apparent reason.
To hash over someones subjective rationalization of audio quality.

[VWaddict]

I have Logic 7; with the Harmon Kardon system.

If you turn the 'L7' on in the settings, the sound begins to suck hairy, steaming, glow-in-the-dark, flying moosecock.

I mean really. It's simply awful.

And I'm not a snob or anything, I'm just allergic to the artifacts from all the directional fakery. They really do suck.

[WhiteBeard]

Originally Posted by VWaddict

I have Logic 7; with the Harmon Kardon system.

If you turn the 'L7' on in the settings, the sound begins to suck hairy, steaming, glow-in-the-dark, flying moosecock.

I mean really. It's simply awful.

And I'm not a snob or anything, I'm just allergic to the artifacts from all the directional fakery. They really do suck.

I have L7 and there is no option to turn it on or off AFAIK. It just is ON by default. There are only settings for usual stuff like fade/bass etc. However, it does sound really good for a "stock" audio that came with my car when I bought it (stock meaning I haven't done any upgrades)

[ctuna]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161120

There are all kinds of adjustments for it .
Most of the stereophiles turn the processing off.

It has a few canned settings with processing and graphic
eq if you read the manual and dig through the menu's

[WhiteBeard]

Originally Posted by ctuna

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161120

There are all kinds of adjustments for it .
Most of the stereophiles turn the processing off.

I has a few canned settings with processing and graphic
eq if you read the manual and dig through the menu's

A question from that thread link - how do I set 80hz -2, 200hz 0 and so on? I only can control Bass/trebble/fader etc, but I haven't seen hz settings yet, I don't have i-drive:

80hz -2
200hz 0
500hz +2
1khz +3
2khz -2
5khz -1
10khz +4

BASS +4
TREB +1
FADER +2
S-VOL 1
Aux-In Level 3 (center position)
LOGIC7 = MUSIC

[VWaddict]

Originally Posted by WhiteBeard

I have L7 and there is no option to turn it on or off AFAIK. It just is ON by default. There are only settings for usual stuff like fade/bass etc. However, it does sound really good for a "stock" audio that came with my car when I bought it (stock meaning I haven't done any upgrades)

I agree, the rest of the system sounds really good, but the actual L7 sucks donkey balls.

The option to turn off the L7 (fake surround/ directional inference) is in iDrive... At least it is in my 2011 E91.

Yes, I've been through all the various options, and I turned most of them off. A little added bass and treble is fine, but most of the rest just makes things sound 'worse'.

I do a lot of directional audio processing as part of my job, and have done for over 35 years. I've been using Soundfield microphones for about 13 years now, and L7 seems to use 'directional inference' in a similar way that things like 'Harpex' (www.Harpex.net) does... only Harpex is only EVER used on acoustic signals which have genuine directional information contained in the signals... So called "pan-pot stereo" (which is how most pop music is created) doesn't have the same level of directional information, so any 'surround decoding' software has to use a lot of "guesswork" and "fakery" to produce a "mock surround".

Since I still have to listen to music and spoken word product that I and my colleagues work on, having a system that decides it can "make it prettier" by analyzing the content and then making changes to directional information... that's not something I want to have.

That said, I've listened to it with an open mind, in case the artifice was something which was somehow perhaps nice for "wallpaper" background audio. Even though, I have to say, it really does sound very poor indeed.

I would say that the system sounds very nice for a manufacturer stock system. Logic Seven should be turned OFF, unless you want that system to start making things sound worse.

[mxchris727]

Originally Posted by VWaddict

I would say that the system sounds very nice for a manufacturer stock system. Logic Seven should be turned OFF, unless you want that system to start making things sound worse.

I have to say that I disagree with this. The medium that you play your music through determines if the L7 system can effectively operate. I find that if using a lossless source (CD, USB drive, iPhone direct) and good audio files (ACC/WAV), the L7's sound-stage has good depth and does not drop any frequencies. You can't play MP3s on it and expect to be blown away.

[ctuna]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...3&d=1169133185

See page 7 for pro radio adjustments.

Oh yeah the Hi Fi system pretty much stinks no bass
highly distorted harsh highs and it falls apart if you turn it
up. (That is the base system on the 330 in 06 in the US)